Behind all this talk about teacher talk we've been dancing around a central idea that I think is worth stating and thinking about explicitly: less teacher talk is more. I think we've both come to believe that the animated Charlie Brown shows are pretty much on the money about the students' experience of listening to their teachers:
When I was in DC, the NSF showed me a slide that suggests that, as a learning activity, listening to a clear and correct teacher explanation is even less effective than giving an incorrect explanation to a computer avatar. And this year, I had the dramatic experience of walking three classes through a solution to a problem they had gotten wrong on a test, only to have virtually every student get the same problem wrong on a quiz the week later.
The moral is simple: for the most part, time spent talking is time wasted.
Why is teacher talk so ineffective? And why is it hard for us to shut up and let the students do the talking?
Addressing the first question:
- Listening to anyone talk is boring after a few minutes. How long can you sit quietly and listen to your best friend tell you about the crazy thing that happened on the way home from work? My voice talking about solving trig equations is certainly no more gripping than that.
- Most teacher talk starts from where the teacher is and wants to go, not from what the students know and want to learn. Not only is this kind of talk emotionally irrelevant (see point 1), but it fails to address any underlying preconceptions or misconceptions--which is why a "clear explanation" so rarely is. To make matters worse, we math teachers often couch our teacher talk in vocabulary that the students only barely understand, so that the words themselves are mystifying.
- When I'm talking, my students are either ignoring me (point 1) or listening attentively and trying to take notes, but in neither case are they actually doing mathematics, which is the one activity that I can guarantee will produce learning gains.
None of these problems are particularly surprising, and it's hard for me to imagine that most teachers aren't aware of them. But we yak on. Why?
- The message that talking is ineffective is counterintuitive. Math teachers are expected to be experts at doing math problems. So it's natural to think that explaining how to do a problem is the way to put this expertise to work. Students may believe this more deeply than teachers: I've had students this year complain that I no longer go over any test questions, until I draw their attention to the fact they helped establish, that going over the solution didn't actually result in their learning any math. [For the record, I couched the issue as my problem/fault/responsibility rather than theirs.]
- The intuition (that talking actually helps) is bolstered by our own experiences as math students: for the most part, my teachers talked at me, and here I am today. We have to remember that we are the survivors of this method; but our survival is not proof the method worked. Someone lucky enough to be alive and healthy in London in 1667 would hardly credit the previous two years' outbreak of the Black Death as the reason for their vitality.
- Teaching students to learn from their own talk is difficult; in my experience, the weakest students are also the ones who have the most trouble with the message that "the discussion is the lesson." (I have two hypotheses about this: first, that weaker students are rationally mistrustful of their own abilities, and overextrapolate to "anything I do myself will not help me learn"; second, that the way they got to be weaker students is from being talked at by teachers, so that the weaker students are the ones who've been talked at the most, and who have the least experience with other ways of learning.)
- Talking gives the illusion of speed. I can describe how to solve a problem in under three minutes, making time to go on to the next thing.
- As we've discussed, figuring out what to do besides just explain-and-practice is extremely difficult: it requires planning, real-time data analysis and decisionmaking, and reflection and revision. So "teacher talk" is an easy default.
But if all the above are reasons for talking, I think there's an additional underlying cause: being the center of attention is fun. Part of being a teacher is having an odd kind of power, and power is intoxicating. As with so much of the affective parts of teaching, I think it's important that we recognize our own complicity: we talk, in part, because we get a charge out of talking.
And that's enough talk for now. Next post: two of my favorite recent problems.
Good stuff to think about! Its about switching paradigms:
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Teaching = Talking
Learning = Listening
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Teaching = Listening
Learning = Talking
As you both wrote about earlier, to get students talking, takes the right kind of questions... It seems like the "enemy" here is the race to "cover the curriculum"....Its a troubling math problem for teachers. I have to "cover" x amount of topics in y days.... thus I have "y/x" days for each topic. We need to decrease y or increase x! ...Just a reflection... what does "covering the curriculum" actually accomplish?
PJ, great comments but really challenging to change!
ReplyDeletePJ, thank you for airing the dirty truth that part of why we might have gone into teaching is for the chance to own the stage. We need to face that and break away from it.
ReplyDeleteAdam, nice succinct reversal, Teaching = Listening, Learning = Talking.
Thanks for provoking thought.
Tom, I think you're overstating the "dirty truth". That is, I think that people who have gone into teaching get a charge out of owning the stage, but I wasn't trying to imply that that was why they went into teaching in the first place. Although, now that you mention it, I think it's probably a contributing factor for some. (And I'm not sure that this truth is particularly dirty.)
ReplyDeleteLoved reading thiss thanks
ReplyDeleteWhile I basically agree with this I have a hard time figuring out if I would have ever understood how to create and write a proof without considerable verbal assistance from many professors. And without proof, what kind of mathematics are we teaching? So, I believe that there is a time and place for teacher talk. Just not all the time and for every topic.
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